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Last night I watched Mark Steyn on Carlson Tucker (Fox)

Steyn seems to have become that Fox version of Piers Morgan style British blowhard - heavy on the accent, light on substance, and no shortage of self importance.

The talk moved around Free Speech and associated criteria. Steyn related that Canada had a free-speech quash issue some years ago that he was involved with and asserted that he was responsible for having that law removed in Canada.

I recall - like real clearly, that it was a woman named Connie who led the charge over multi-years; a bunch of rag-tag ner'do wells of vikings, cowboys, christians, jews, conservatives, artists, weathermen, graphics, oilers, riggers, farmers, bloggers, liberals, dippers, libertarians, rebels, sailors, veterans, backhoes, backwoods, slickers, pundits, writers, commentators and other such scurvy-infested malcontents on keyboards; who who supported the unsupportable veteran Mark Lemire in his decades long quest to clear his name and fight mostly alone to expose the oppression of those who cannot be named; and then those malcontents pestered, coerced, threatened, muscled, berated, exposed, and confronted the status-quo Con Party apparatchiks in their cushy ridings across this vast country to grow something masculine that comes in pairs; and then placed their trust in a little lady with more gumption that Canada's whole parliament; to stand in the lobby of the Winnipeg CPC Convention with FD handouts to delegates; alone to stare them down and turn them around; who in turn were then compelled to corner the dismissive Steven Harper to relent, retreat, and generally cower and allow the party to rid Canada of S13 / S54.


Steyn got his pieces of silver to appear on stage a few times, write some snazzy columns, have some photo ops; then scooted across the border into the safe arms of the US Constitution.

F**k Mark Steyn
And the horse he rode in on

Really!
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This is not the country in which to steal valor.
We already have politicians occupying those positions.
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It can happen to almost anybody, a drift from leadership and relevance to self-absorption and isolation. For Wellington Boote-Daley, it happened almost overnight.

I would say this about Mark Steyn, he was solid for our cause back around 2013, but as you say, Fourniers did the hard work and this is never as widely acknowledged as it should be. Nothing against Mark Steyn at all, I haven't been following him much in recent years. At least he did play a part at one point in time, whatever might be the case today.

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He was on Fox last night as Tucker's replacement for the evening. Tucker is either getting a long TG weekend or he he's been reading his comments section on how his ex-supporters consider him a Rhino now.

Anyway, Steyn was.. well Mark Steyn last night. No substance to speak of; A lot of couchy-chouchy buzz words, fluctuating intonation and he seemed to be almost conveying "how fast can I get through this show? "

Older and wiser we get
but;
Too old too soon
Too smart too late

when you no longer look at someone who has been touted and presented as a starlight, savior, helper, comrade (should that word be used?) whatever, and then gets seen under a different light - wow.

nothing more than a mouthpiece for the right, regurgitating old worn out platitudes, slogans, cutie quips and tongue twisters that'll get an invite to a PAC sponsored cocktail party with a free, 2-drink maximum

I went to some of those

I recommend just going to the liquor store, paying for the bottle with your earnst money; grab a paper bag and head to a park bench. There is no 2-drink maximum. The squirrels are friendly. They are different than the squirrels at those parties. Not nearly as vicious. They don't care how many drinks you have, or had. And the rubbie guy in a trench coat living in a cardboard box down the way was probably way more bad-assed in his day, than any of that high society contingent could ever hope to be.


All this wisdom, first exposed on FD as excerpts from my maybe-new-book
Life Lessons From Once A Conservative


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Steyn has done for Free Speech and conservatism in any day in last 20 years than you Lone Pony have in all your complaining life.

As a matter of fact what have you ever done for Free Speech?

Your a leftie sent to demoralize Free'Ders aren't you?
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intrepi wrote: Fri Nov 27, 2020 1:49 pm Steyn has done for Free Speech and conservatism in any day in last 20 years than you Lone Pony have in all your complaining life.

As a matter of fact what have you ever done for Free Speech?

Your a leftie sent to demoralize Free'Ders aren't you?
I think you are on to something. 4H comes across as a socialist agent provocateur. He has shown his colours quite a few times but I'll only list a few.

He calls Tucker Carlson a Rhino. Every conservative knows the proper term is Rino, it's an acronym not an animal. He is also looking to get members into divisive arguments defending Tucker who remains a conservative commentator. He is doing the same with Steyn.

4H claims that Western Canada is occupied by the Chicom army to try to marginalize our western voices. I live in the west and have not seen any evidence whatsoever of an occupation. No other westerners have supported this outrageous provocation.

Until Connie shut him down, 4H claimed that Jews were the cause of all the world's problems hoping the FDers would bite and support so he (or more likely his fellow socialists) could use the tired socialist mantra that all conservatives are antisemites and destroy FD.

That's a sampling, more available if needed.

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Free Markets wrote: Fri Nov 27, 2020 11:11 pm
intrepi wrote: Fri Nov 27, 2020 1:49 pm Steyn has done for Free Speech and conservatism in any day in last 20 years than you Lone Pony have in all your complaining life.

As a matter of fact what have you ever done for Free Speech?

Your a leftie sent to demoralize Free'Ders aren't you?
I think you are on to something. 4H comes across as a socialist agent provocateur. He has shown his colours quite a few times but I'll only list a few.

He calls Tucker Carlson a Rhino. Every conservative knows the proper term is Rino, it's an acronym not an animal. He is also looking to get members into divisive arguments defending Tucker who remains a conservative commentator. He is doing the same with Steyn.

4H claims that Western Canada is occupied by the Chicom army to try to marginalize our western voices. I live in the west and have not seen any evidence whatsoever of an occupation. No other westerners have supported this outrageous provocation.

Until Connie shut him down, 4H claimed that Jews were the cause of all the world's problems hoping the FDers would bite and support so he (or more likely his fellow socialists) could use the tired socialist mantra that all conservatives are antisemites and destroy FD.

That's a sampling, more available if needed.
Aggression 101 here.

Rhino v Rino
Where did you go to school?
Do some homework on Tucker .... He can be very aggressive and non-conservative (Rhino) when his ego is not being stroked. Tucker was a silver spooned little boy with a bow tie and became a CNN protege.

Tucker is not supportive of what Trump is trying to do - Tucker's looking at the green side (his money coming in). Look at Fox's ratings - down 50% in the last 2 weeks - the way they called the election and because of Tucker - read the comments section across multitude of conservative media.

Steyn hasn't done squat for Canadian conservative movement. He got his landed immigrant status in Canada and used it to cross the border and marry into US citizenship. Same shit y'all bitch about here on new immigrants.

In other words
piss off, goof
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Four Horses wrote: Sat Nov 28, 2020 7:01 pm
Free Markets wrote: Fri Nov 27, 2020 11:11 pm
intrepi wrote: Fri Nov 27, 2020 1:49 pm Steyn has done for Free Speech and conservatism in any day in last 20 years than you Lone Pony have in all your complaining life.

As a matter of fact what have you ever done for Free Speech?

Your a leftie sent to demoralize Free'Ders aren't you?
I think you are on to something. 4H comes across as a socialist agent provocateur. He has shown his colours quite a few times but I'll only list a few.

He calls Tucker Carlson a Rhino. Every conservative knows the proper term is Rino, it's an acronym not an animal. He is also looking to get members into divisive arguments defending Tucker who remains a conservative commentator. He is doing the same with Steyn.

4H claims that Western Canada is occupied by the Chicom army to try to marginalize our western voices. I live in the west and have not seen any evidence whatsoever of an occupation. No other westerners have supported this outrageous provocation.

Until Connie shut him down, 4H claimed that Jews were the cause of all the world's problems hoping the FDers would bite and support so he (or more likely his fellow socialists) could use the tired socialist mantra that all conservatives are antisemites and destroy FD.

That's a sampling, more available if needed.
Aggression 101 here.

Rhino v Rino
Where did you go to school?
Do some homework on Tucker .... He can be very aggressive and non-conservative (Rhino) when his ego is not being stroked. Tucker was a silver spooned little boy with a bow tie and became a CNN protege.

Tucker is not supportive of what Trump is trying to do - Tucker's looking at the green side (his money coming in). Look at Fox's ratings - down 50% in the last 2 weeks - the way they called the election and because of Tucker - read the comments section across multitude of conservative media.

Steyn hasn't done squat for Canadian conservative movement. He got his landed immigrant status in Canada and used it to cross the border and marry into US citizenship. Same shit y'all bitch about here on new immigrants.

In other words
piss off, goof
How is Carlson a Rino? He's his own man on some issues, but all around clearly a conservative.
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Tucker?

He came across as conservative because Fox was the only news network that wasn't dyed-in-the-wool Obama. It was financially expedient to be anti-Obama, then anti-Clinton as they captured most of the right side market. The left side was chopped up among a multitudes of lefty news organizations. There was money to be made being the "champion of the right".

If you haven't noticed, he has never been that Candice Owens type, David Webb type, Sean Hannity type, Wendy Bell type, Dana Loesh type, Corey Lewandowski type, Guiliani type -- he has been more the Chris Christie mold, Jeb Bush, Mitt Romney, Meagan Kelly, Dana Perino, types. ie: He did mainstream to get the viewers with some quick right jabs to add color to his shtick.

Now once the powers that be declared Slow Joe & The Hoe as winners, Tucker's support for the republicans, and especially Trump fizzled. It was so obvious that Fox lost almost 50% of their viewing audience. Tucker went from an all time high of 5M just pre-election night viewers to around 1M thereafter. Read the comment sections of the conservative on line news. It is absolutely scathing about Tucker and Fox. Look at a more mainstream site like Zero Hedge which is populated with Indies and Libertarians -- Tucker is mud, a sellout. He was one of the first to start soft peddling President-Neglect Biden and what he might do when he takes over in January.

He has gambled that Trump is a goner, and played his show and comments to that effect since the election declaration from his news media. Jeannie Piro didn't. Mark Levin didn't. Tucker did. He went for the money - thinking the US population tired of Trump and voted with Biden - that Trump was toast and a new regime was being crowned.

Tucker wouldn't even address the overwhelming evidence presented on line - the stuff Sidney Powell and Rudy Giuliani were amassing. He used that CNN/CBC type line " we are not able to verify this as evidence" yada yada - meanwhile anyone with online access could read the affidavits (some 200+) and listen to countless vids from very credible eye witnesses, follow the Dominion trail, and the moves by the Dem govs & Sec State as well as the capitulation of the rino politicians ......

The 79% of the Trump voters (now reaching 90-100 Million) did their homework and disagreed not only with the rinos, but with rino reporters.

OANN and Newsmax have grown leaps and bounds, much at Fox and Carlson's expense.

Conservative?
If one is really a conservative, one does not change their views and speech to garner more money and fame. A rino does.
Always follow the money. And in this case, I predict the money trail will expose quite a few.

PS> I always liked watching Carlson. From his boyish bowtie days at CNN to Fox. He was entertaining, but he is definitely a narcissist. He just softens it better than Trump does.


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UPDATE & CORRECTION:

Jeanie Piro was on Fox last night. She too pushed the narrative that "when Biden becomes President" .....
Piro's show was initially not renewed by Fox - which ended right around election time. As their ratings began to drop, suddenly Piro's show was worthy of being aired on Fox, and presto she's on again. She comes out very forceful, but now with that comes the koolaid.

She has a book to sell and what better place to advertise than on national TV.
So does Carlson.
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Four Horses wrote: Sun Nov 29, 2020 8:14 am Tucker?

He came across as conservative because Fox was the only news network that wasn't dyed-in-the-wool Obama. It was financially expedient to be anti-Obama, then anti-Clinton as they captured most of the right side market. The left side was chopped up among a multitudes of lefty news organizations. There was money to be made being the "champion of the right".

If you haven't noticed, he has never been that Candice Owens type, David Webb type, Sean Hannity type, Wendy Bell type, Dana Loesh type, Corey Lewandowski type, Guiliani type -- he has been more the Chris Christie mold, Jeb Bush, Mitt Romney, Meagan Kelly, Dana Perino, types. ie: He did mainstream to get the viewers with some quick right jabs to add color to his shtick.

Now once the powers that be declared Slow Joe & The Hoe as winners, Tucker's support for the republicans, and especially Trump fizzled. It was so obvious that Fox lost almost 50% of their viewing audience. Tucker went from an all time high of 5M just pre-election night viewers to around 1M thereafter. Read the comment sections of the conservative on line news. It is absolutely scathing about Tucker and Fox. Look at a more mainstream site like Zero Hedge which is populated with Indies and Libertarians -- Tucker is mud, a sellout. He was one of the first to start soft peddling President-Neglect Biden and what he might do when he takes over in January.

He has gambled that Trump is a goner, and played his show and comments to that effect since the election declaration from his news media. Jeannie Piro didn't. Mark Levin didn't. Tucker did. He went for the money - thinking the US population tired of Trump and voted with Biden - that Trump was toast and a new regime was being crowned.

Tucker wouldn't even address the overwhelming evidence presented on line - the stuff Sidney Powell and Rudy Giuliani were amassing. He used that CNN/CBC type line " we are not able to verify this as evidence" yada yada - meanwhile anyone with online access could read the affidavits (some 200+) and listen to countless vids from very credible eye witnesses, follow the Dominion trail, and the moves by the Dem govs & Sec State as well as the capitulation of the rino politicians ......

The 79% of the Trump voters (now reaching 90-100 Million) did their homework and disagreed not only with the rinos, but with rino reporters.

OANN and Newsmax have grown leaps and bounds, much at Fox and Carlson's expense.

Conservative?
If one is really a conservative, one does not change their views and speech to garner more money and fame. A rino does.
Always follow the money. And in this case, I predict the money trail will expose quite a few.

PS> I always liked watching Carlson. From his boyish bowtie days at CNN to Fox. He was entertaining, but he is definitely a narcissist. He just softens it better than Trump does.


toodles ....
Carlson sits on the advisory board of The American Conservative.

He was ahead of the game on Covid-19. He spoke to Trump personally asking him to take it a lot more seriously, based on reports that he was getting from the Chinese media. At the time, most Americans didn't care. If you recall it was then right wingers talking about masks, not leftists.

Following that he was also one of the earliest people to point out what an economic catastrophe it would be, and to suggest that more needed to be done for jobs. That seems obvious now, but he said it early.

Carlson has been making the unfashionable point that many of the problems in the USA are due to the economic precariousness of young men. They can't get stable careers, they can't start families. Most media won't touch that with a ten foot pole, because there's a consensus, an *unacknowledged* consensus, that it's ok to shit on poor white men.
( fwiw, I'm not a poor white man.)

****

I agree that his bow tie is funny looking and that he benefits from having a full head of hair.
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DA_

Advisory Boards?
Think Paul Ryan, Mitt Romney, Ryance Prevus; John McCain

Tucker is scrambling to save his pinnacle. What does he really have? He is a talk show host. He is like pay-per-view; the higher the ratings, > $$

He is still entertaining. He does make common sense points. He is certainly not stupid. He is smart enough to follow the money ... his money ... and he is now on Biden being the winner.
That's his gamble.
Long & short of it.
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